Here goes the crazies again

[Roger LaFrance]

UPDATE 1-EU Parliament wants aviation tax, emissions trade
Tue Jul 4, 2006 11:15am ET

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By Jeff Mason
STRASBOURG, France, July 4 (Reuters) - Airlines should pay a tax for jet fuel and join the European Union's emissions trading scheme to cut back on the rising amounts of greenhouse gases they produce, the European Parliament said on Tuesday.
International aviation is not covered by the Kyoto Protocol on climate change but its emissions are projected to grow in the coming years, causing concern among environmentalists, especially as the low-cost airline sector booms in Europe.
The European Parliament gave its backing to proposals by the executive European Commission to include airlines in the emissions trading scheme, where industries trade rights to emit carbon dioxide (CO2), the main gas blamed for global warming.
But the parliament suggested setting up a separate trading system for airlines on a trial basis first, to prevent carriers from buying up rights from power companies instead of tackling their own pollution problem.
"A separate, closed system for aviation is crucial at the very least as a pilot scheme," said Caroline Lucas, the Greens parliament member who sponsored the resolution.
The resolution said that if aviation eventually joined the full EU scheme, steps should be taken to ensure it did not distort trade among other sectors, for example by limiting the number of permits airlines are allowed to buy on the market.
The parliament vote is non-binding and does not involve an actual piece of legislation. But it is considered a signal of support by EU lawmakers for future laws on airlines and the environment. A large majority in the parliament voted in favour. Continued...

Roger & Amanda La France

[Bahadir Acuner]

I would call the people who are contributing to the highest level of
pollution on earth, not signing the Kyoto protocol and still buying SUVs
like maniacs are crazy; not people who are preventing the level of
pollution.

I think airlines should be included in the pollution trading. I think we
should make engines that pollute the environment less.. I also think that
most polluting countries should subsidize the effort of poor countries as
well.

Baha Acuner
Fan of not driving an SUV

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LaFrance
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:08 AM
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Subject: Here goes the crazies again

UPDATE 1-EU Parliament wants aviation tax, emissions trade
Tue Jul 4, 2006 11:15am ET

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By Jeff Mason
STRASBOURG, France, July 4 (Reuters) - Airlines should pay a tax for jet
fuel and join the European Union's emissions trading scheme to cut back on
the rising amounts of greenhouse gases they produce, the European Parliament
said on Tuesday.
International aviation is not covered by the Kyoto Protocol on climate
change but its emissions are projected to grow in the coming years, causing
concern among environmentalists, especially as the low-cost airline sector
booms in Europe.
The European Parliament gave its backing to proposals by the executive
European Commission to include airlines in the emissions trading scheme,
where industries trade rights to emit carbon dioxide (CO2), the main gas
blamed for global warming.
But the parliament suggested setting up a separate trading system for
airlines on a trial basis first, to prevent carriers from buying up rights
from power companies instead of tackling their own pollution problem.
"A separate, closed system for aviation is crucial at the very least as a
pilot scheme," said Caroline Lucas, the Greens parliament member who
sponsored the resolution.
The resolution said that if aviation eventually joined the full EU scheme,
steps should be taken to ensure it did not distort trade among other
sectors, for example by limiting the number of permits airlines are allowed
to buy on the market.
The parliament vote is non-binding and does not involve an actual piece of
legislation. But it is considered a signal of support by EU lawmakers for
future laws on airlines and the environment. A large majority in the
parliament voted in favour. Continued...

Roger & Amanda La France

[Alireza Alivandivafa]

What's crazy about it? It is about time. EU countries tax their train
systems that pollute less than 1/10th what the airlines do for the same journey for
energy usage, it is about time airlines do their fair share


In a message dated 7/4/2006 11:19:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Post by Roger LaFrance
UPDATE 1-EU Parliament wants aviation tax, emissions trade
Tue Jul 4, 2006 11:15am ET
Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints
[-] Text [+] (Adds comment from industry)
By Jeff Mason
STRASBOURG, France, July 4 (Reuters) - Airlines should pay a tax for jet
fuel and join the European Union's emissions trading scheme to cut back on the
rising amounts of greenhouse gases they produce, the European Parliament said
on Tuesday.
International aviation is not covered by the Kyoto Protocol on climate
change but its emissions are projected to grow in the coming years, causing
concern among environmentalists, especially as the low-cost airline sector booms in
Europe.
The European Parliament gave its backing to proposals by the executive
European Commission to include airlines in the emissions trading scheme, where
industries trade rights to emit carbon dioxide (CO2), the main gas blamed for
global warming.
But the parliament suggested setting up a separate trading system for
airlines on a trial basis first, to prevent carriers from buying up rights from
power companies instead of tackling their own pollution problem.
"A separate, closed system for aviation is crucial at the very least as a
pilot scheme," said Caroline Lucas, the Greens parliament member who sponsored
the resolution.
The resolution said that if aviation eventually joined the full EU scheme,
steps should be taken to ensure it did not distort trade among other sectors,
for example by limiting the number of permits airlines are allowed to buy on
the market.
The parliament vote is non-binding and does not involve an actual piece of
legislation. But it is considered a signal of support by EU lawmakers for
future laws on airlines and the environment. A large majority in the parliament
voted in favour. Continued...

[Michael Burris]

AIRLINE:

Not to mention that SUV drivers are billed as rude and
arrogant. They are not noted for their driving
etiquette.

Mike Burris
Cambridge, Mass

Post by Bahadir Acuner
I would call the people who are contributing to the
highest level of
pollution on earth, not signing the Kyoto protocol
and still buying SUVs
like maniacs are crazy; not people who are
preventing the level of
pollution.
I think airlines should be included in the pollution
trading. I think we
should make engines that pollute the environment
less.. I also think that
most polluting countries should subsidize the effort
of poor countries as
well.
Baha Acuner
Fan of not driving an SUV
-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List
Roger
LaFrance
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: Here goes the crazies again
UPDATE 1-EU Parliament wants aviation tax, emissions
trade
Tue Jul 4, 2006 11:15am ET
Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints
[-] Text [+] (Adds comment from industry)
By Jeff Mason
STRASBOURG, France, July 4 (Reuters) - Airlines
should pay a tax for jet
fuel and join the European Union's emissions trading
scheme to cut back on
the rising amounts of greenhouse gases they produce,
the European Parliament
said on Tuesday.
International aviation is not covered by the Kyoto
Protocol on climate
change but its emissions are projected to grow in
the coming years, causing
concern among environmentalists, especially as the
low-cost airline sector
booms in Europe.
The European Parliament gave its backing to
proposals by the executive
European Commission to include airlines in the
emissions trading scheme,
where industries trade rights to emit carbon dioxide
(CO2), the main gas
blamed for global warming.
But the parliament suggested setting up a separate
trading system for
airlines on a trial basis first, to prevent carriers
from buying up rights
from power companies instead of tackling their own
pollution problem.
"A separate, closed system for aviation is crucial
at the very least as a
pilot scheme," said Caroline Lucas, the Greens
parliament member who
sponsored the resolution.
The resolution said that if aviation eventually
joined the full EU scheme,
steps should be taken to ensure it did not distort
trade among other
sectors, for example by limiting the number of
permits airlines are allowed
to buy on the market.
The parliament vote is non-binding and does not
involve an actual piece of
legislation. But it is considered a signal of
support by EU lawmakers for
future laws on airlines and the environment. A large
majority in the
parliament voted in favour. Continued...
Roger & Amanda La France

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[Herman R. Silbiger]

Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:46:19 -0700

Subject: Re: Here goes the crazies again
I would call the people who are contributing to the highest level of
pollution on earth, not signing the Kyoto protocol and still buying SUVs
like maniacs are crazy; not people who are preventing the level of
pollution.
I think airlines should be included in the pollution trading. I think we
should make engines that pollute the environment less.. I also think that
most polluting countries should subsidize the effort of poor countries as
well.
Baha Acuner
Fan of not driving an SUV

Right on!

Herman

[David MR]

The Kyoto Protocol is a bunch of bull puckey. Some of the "scientists" on that made up that idiotic document were landscapers!

All it does is rearrange the pollution. It does nothing to prevent "global warming." NOTHING man can do can prevent global warming. It's a natural process. Mankind may increase the temperature slightly in built up areas but that's because you have all that concrete that reflects the heat.

Check out:
http://www.junkscience.com/
http://www.iceagenow.com/


David R
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Post by Herman R. Silbiger
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:46:19 -0700

Subject: Re: Here goes the crazies again
I would call the people who are contributing to the highest level of
pollution on earth, not signing the Kyoto protocol and still buying SUVs
like maniacs are crazy; not people who are preventing the level of
pollution.
I think airlines should be included in the pollution trading. I think we
should make engines that pollute the environment less.. I also think that
most polluting countries should subsidize the effort of poor countries as
well.
Baha Acuner
Fan of not driving an SUV

Right on!
Herman

[Dr. Alastair T. Gardiner]

David,

Tut, tut, just run along and suck your thumb in the corner like a good
little boy and leave the real world to the grownups......

FWIW, global warming dwarfs the threat to our planet from 'terrorism'. The
'Kyoto protocol' wasn't perfect - it only tries to slow down the rate of
emissions reather than reduce them - but is/was an honourable attempt by
right minded people to take responsibility for our planet and the future
generations who will have to live here. It is a start that must be built
on. The vast majority of all the worlds qualified scientists agree on what
needs to be done, ie to reduce the level of Greenhouse gas emissions, and
that means we all have to change our lifestyles. Perfectly possible if we
have the willpower.

Avaition has to play its part too. If that means fewer flights, higher
taxes, etc then so be it.

Regards to all, even the unqualified kiddies amongst us,

Alastair

Post by David MR
The Kyoto Protocol is a bunch of bull puckey. Some of the "scientists" on

that made up that idiotic document were landscapers!

Post by David MR
All it does is rearrange the pollution. It does nothing to prevent

"global warming." NOTHING man can do can prevent global warming. It's a
natural process. Mankind may increase the temperature slightly in built up
areas but that's because you have all that concrete that reflects the heat.





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[David MR]

The biggest problem is that it is impossible to predict the weather 100% accurately for next Tuesday, much less 20-30 years down the road.

Man is not strong enough to influence nature for a long period of time. How many "earthquake proof" buildings have been built, only to be destroyed in the next earthquake.

Temperature measurements are taken in built up areas. Guess what? In built up areas, you have lots of concrete and glass structures that affect the LOCAL temperature.

I'm going to say something that will probably get me kicked off this list. I don't give a rat's ass anymore. I'm just sick and tired of all you liberal idiots out there who think the solutions to all the world's problems is to tax it. All those idiots out there who move to this country then bitch about it. Go back to Turkey or Iran or whereever the hell you are from.

I'm all for racial profiling. The TSA needs to screen the Middle Eastern looking men more than they need to harrass a Medal of Honor winner.

David R

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Post by Dr. Alastair T. Gardiner
David,
Tut, tut, just run along and suck your thumb in the corner like a good
little boy and leave the real world to the grownups......
FWIW, global warming dwarfs the threat to our planet from 'terrorism'. The
'Kyoto protocol' wasn't perfect - it only tries to slow down the rate of
emissions reather than reduce them - but is/was an honourable attempt by
right minded people to take responsibility for our planet and the future
generations who will have to live here. It is a start that must be built
on. The vast majority of all the worlds qualified scientists agree on what
needs to be done, ie to reduce the level of Greenhouse gas emissions, and
that means we all have to change our lifestyles. Perfectly possible if we
have the willpower.
Avaition has to play its part too. If that means fewer flights, higher
taxes, etc then so be it.
Regards to all, even the unqualified kiddies amongst us,
Alastair

Post by David MR
The Kyoto Protocol is a bunch of bull puckey. Some of the "scientists" on

that made up that idiotic document were landscapers!

Post by David MR
All it does is rearrange the pollution. It does nothing to prevent

"global warming." NOTHING man can do can prevent global warming. It's a
natural process. Mankind may increase the temperature slightly in built up
areas but that's because you have all that concrete that reflects the heat.
***************************************
Dr. Alastair T. Gardiner
Level 2
Glasgow Biomedical Research Centre
Institute of Biomedical & Life Sciences
University of Glasgow
126 University Place
Glasgow G12 8TA
Scotland
Tel. [phone] (office) or 6448 (lab)
Fax. [phone]
http://www.gla.ac.uk/ibls/BMB/rjc/agardiner.html
http://www.e-mep.org
**************************************
Have a look at my airliner photography at

[Michael Burris]

Richard:

Hey! Didn't know that you hailed from around these
parts. Yup! The Boston Red Sox still play and Fenway
Park is their home base. They're making improvements
and as a result, taking a family of four to a ball
game costs nearly $150 dollars, if not more! Boston
is nice, but it's surely expensive!

Mike Burris
Cambridge, Mass

"Where it's humid for sure! But not too long ago, I
sat right here and my fingers and were cold. I was
wondering when the warm weather was going to come!"
;-)

Mike, in Texas that also applies to people who drive
pickup trucks.
Mike, I'm jealous that you live in MA, as I'm a CT
yankee and use to
partake of those great dellies in Soho <sp>! I also
miss watching the
baseball games at the "Green Monster" for little or
no money when I was
in the Navy. Ah, the great food up there. Not the
same as BBQ in Texass
:-)
Regards,
Richard Whitenight
Arlington, Texas

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=1552

http://rwhitenight.rrpicturearchives.net
ICQ: 102-011-618
On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:14:39 -0700 Michael Burris

Post by Michael Burris
Not to mention that SUV drivers are billed as rude

and

Post by Michael Burris
arrogant. They are not noted for their driving
etiquette.
Mike Burris
Cambridge, Mass

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