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BAA
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Blaine Thompson
2006-06-06 12:10:29 UTC
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*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.

(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)

- Blaine
Agarwalla, Niraj
2006-06-06 15:19:26 UTC
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I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.

--
Niraj Agarwalla



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Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: BAA


*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael

del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.

(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)

- Blaine
David MR
2006-06-06 15:38:51 UTC
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UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by foreigners!

Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.

David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
RWM
2006-06-06 15:42:06 UTC
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But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?

- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by foreigners!
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
Bahadir Acuner
2006-06-06 15:59:07 UTC
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Wait..
The globalization was a good thing, we've been told by US and Western
European politicians. So, I guess FRAport should only manage airports in
Germany. BAA should operate airports in England (Commonwealth maybe?)

The countries that didn't allow FDI are :
-North Korea
- Former USSR
- Iran

US of A doesn't belong in this list.. Sorry..

Baha Acuner
Fan of TAV :)

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of RWM
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:53 AM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: BAA

Then you'll love "congestion pricing". ;-)

You raise a good point and a related question emerges: why isn't Carlyle
Group bidding on these facilities?

- RWM
I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls
to non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the
government for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign companies.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd
and a
Post by RWM
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated
by
Post by RWM
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging
tired
Post by RWM
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to
buy=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
RWM
2006-06-06 15:52:38 UTC
Permalink
Then you'll love "congestion pricing". ;-)

You raise a good point and a related question emerges: why isn't Carlyle
Group bidding on these facilities?

- RWM
I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls to non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the government for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign companies.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
David MR
2006-06-06 15:49:18 UTC
Permalink
I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls to non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the government for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)

Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign companies.

David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
Gerard M Foley
2006-06-06 19:04:02 UTC
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From: "David MR" <***@comcast.net>

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
<snip>>
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign
companies.
There must be some reason, or it wouldn't happen. I suspect there's not
enough money in it for Americans. Just like picking farm crops.

Gerry
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http://www.wilowud.net/
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Agarwalla, Niraj
2006-06-06 16:12:42 UTC
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Personally, I don't care if airports are run by Martians, as long as
security remains in American hands, that's all I really care about.

P.s. American airports are nothing to write home about.

--
Niraj Agarwalla



-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
David MR
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: BAA


I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls
to non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the
government for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)

Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign
companies.

David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's
absurd and a
Post by RWM
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be
operated by
Post by RWM
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am
frigging tired
Post by RWM
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE
instead
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Of
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport,
is=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company
that's=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian
bank.=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to
buy=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder
Rafael
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
David MR
2006-06-06 16:49:51 UTC
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I don't give a damn about what other countries do to lessen their security.

Your key word below is POLITICIANS. Real people don't want their country taken over.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Bahadir Acuner
Wait..
The globalization was a good thing, we've been told by US and Western
European politicians. So, I guess FRAport should only manage airports in
Germany. BAA should operate airports in England (Commonwealth maybe?)
-North Korea
- Former USSR
- Iran
US of A doesn't belong in this list.. Sorry..
Baha Acuner
Fan of TAV :)
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: BAA
Then you'll love "congestion pricing". ;-)
You raise a good point and a related question emerges: why isn't Carlyle
Group bidding on these facilities?
- RWM
I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls
to non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the
government for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign companies.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd
and a
Post by RWM
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated
by
Post by RWM
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging
tired
Post by RWM
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to
buy=20
Post by RWM
Post by David MR
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
David MR
2006-06-06 19:27:32 UTC
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"Just like picking farm crops." There's money in that. It's just that employers have a loophole (illegal, but none the less a loophole) that allows them to hire cheap labor. Americans WILL take those jobs if they are paid a decent wage.

Airports can be managed by Americans if airport and other government officials weren't so short-sighted as to see only dollars and cents saved in the short term.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
<snip>>
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign
companies.
There must be some reason, or it wouldn't happen. I suspect there's not
enough money in it for Americans. Just like picking farm crops.
Gerry
http://www.pbase.com/gfoley9999/
http://www.wilowud.net/
http://home.columbus.rr.com/gfoley
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/pollock/263/egypt/egypt.html
http://foley.foleypages.net/~gerry/
RWM
2006-06-06 19:35:00 UTC
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Airlines already see this as raising costs to passengers who will "pay
more" than what are already high and rapidly rising fees to cover the
acquirer's cost of capital.

Private capital's opportunity cost will always be higher, its efficiency
argued to offset the added burden.

This would be the case (and the argument) with any of the proposed
infrastructure privatizations - airports, highways, ATC, ports, etc.

The irony is airlines are lining up against privatization of airports at
the same time they rail for privatization of ATC and against regulation
in any form affecting the business.

OK, folks, so which is it?

- RWM

----------

Airlines say passengers could pay for BAA deal

By Tim Hepher and Jason Neely

PARIS (Reuters) - Airline passengers could be forced to pay part of the
cost of a 10.1 billion pound takeover of airports operator BAA through
increased airport charges to help its new owners repay debt, the
industry warned on Tuesday.

Global airlines lobby group IATA said BAA <BAA.L> had not been
adequately regulated and that it would probably pass on higher debts
inherited from its planned acquisition by Spain's Grupo Ferrovial <FER.MC>.

BAA <BAA.L> agreed to a 10.1-billion-pound takeover bid from a
consortium led by Ferrovial, rejecting a higher offer from Goldman Sachs
<GS.N>.

"If there is inadequate input from airlines and their passengers, you
can get an ugly outcome," said IATA's outgoing Chairman Robert Milton,
head of the parent firm of Air Canada.

"In the case of BAA it would result in a company with added debt and
cost burden, and that is going to have to be borne by airlines and the
public. So it is hard for us to paint a happy picture on this at this
time," he told a news conference.

IATA's director general, Giovani Bisignani, said regulators in Britain
had struggled to keep tabs on BAA.

"It is a wake-up call to the regulators. We presented them with all the
numbers ... this is embarrassing."

IATA is critical of UK regulators whose price caps on BAA's trio of
London airports have made it a tempting takeover target.

"The UK price caps set in 2003 which run through 2008 have so far
allowed BAA to raise charges an average of 8.7 percent a year," said
IATA spokesman Tony Concil.

"The regulator has allowed this airport operator to become cash rich
under their watch," he said, adding BAA had a profit margin of more than
40 percent at its biggest airport, Heathrow. BAA was not available for
comment.

BAA's biggest customer British Airways <BAY.L> reacted more cautiously,
however.

Chief Executive Willie Walsh declined to comment on the specifics of the
deal, but told reporters he was optimistic it would increase the chances
of building a third runway at Heathrow to cope with escalating demand.

Tension between airlines and airports dominated a two-day annual meeting
of IATA's 261 carriers, with the BAA sell off overshadowing a second day
devoted to airlines' fuel price woes.

"For shareholders, it's a good idea. For customers, there is some
concern that Ferrovial is overstretched in the way that it plans to
finance the deal, and they are asking will that mean higher charges?,"
Rigas Doganis, former head of Greece's Olympic Airways, told Reuters.

Airlines want airports to account for their earnings from landing fees
and retail activities in the same accounting box and to have their fees
set by an independent European body.

Air France KLM chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta said BAA's core
profitability was four times higher than that of most airlines.

The issue is also topical in France where airlines accuse the government
of fattening airports operator ADP for privatisation in 10 days' time by
allowing it to bump up fees.

<http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=adimarticle&f=uk_-_olgbbus&t=4188&id=2962066&d=20060606&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252>
Post by David MR
"Just like picking farm crops." There's money in that. It's just that employers have a loophole (illegal, but none the less a loophole) that allows them to hire cheap labor. Americans WILL take those jobs if they are paid a decent wage.
Airports can be managed by Americans if airport and other government officials weren't so short-sighted as to see only dollars and cents saved in the short term.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
<snip>>
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign
companies.
There must be some reason, or it wouldn't happen. I suspect there's not
enough money in it for Americans. Just like picking farm crops.
Gerry
Agarwalla, Niraj
2006-06-06 19:44:25 UTC
Permalink
Honestly, there's no money in agriculture. It's so eighteenth-century.
It's little wonder why the government gives billions in subsidies.

Nevertheless, I presume American workers will be hired to work in
American airports even though the owners will not be American.


--
Niraj Agarwalla


-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
David MR
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 PM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: BAA


"Just like picking farm crops." There's money in that. It's just that
employers have a loophole (illegal, but none the less a loophole) that
allows them to hire cheap labor. Americans WILL take those jobs if they
are paid a decent wage.

Airports can be managed by Americans if airport and other government
officials weren't so short-sighted as to see only dollars and cents
saved in the short term.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
<snip>>
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign
companies.
There must be some reason, or it wouldn't happen. I suspect there's
not
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
enough money in it for Americans. Just like picking farm crops.
Gerry
http://www.pbase.com/gfoley9999/
http://www.wilowud.net/
http://home.columbus.rr.com/gfoley
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/pollock/263/egypt/egypt.html
http://foley.foleypages.net/~gerry/
David MR
2006-06-06 19:47:38 UTC
Permalink
There money in agriculture. Unfortunately, it all goes to the middle man.

It is possible to get more mechanized. Same thing for airports - use technology. The expense in the beginning will pay for itself over the long run.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
Honestly, there's no money in agriculture. It's so eighteenth-century.
It's little wonder why the government gives billions in subsidies.
Nevertheless, I presume American workers will be hired to work in
American airports even though the owners will not be American.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
David MR
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: BAA
"Just like picking farm crops." There's money in that. It's just that
employers have a loophole (illegal, but none the less a loophole) that
allows them to hire cheap labor. Americans WILL take those jobs if they
are paid a decent wage. =20
Airports can be managed by Americans if airport and other government
officials weren't so short-sighted as to see only dollars and cents
saved in the short term.
David R
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:49 AM
<snip>>
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American=20
companies. There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign=20
companies.
There must be some reason, or it wouldn't happen. I suspect there's
not=20
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
enough money in it for Americans. Just like picking farm crops.
=20
Gerry
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http://www.wilowud.net/
http://home.columbus.rr.com/gfoley
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/pollock/263/egypt/egypt.html
http://foley.foleypages.net/~gerry/=20
=20
Herman R. Silbiger
2006-06-06 22:01:49 UTC
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Exxon
GM
Ford
IBM
Intel
Wal-Mart
McDonald s
Caterpillar
GE
Starbucks
Monsanto
Citibank
Procter & Gamble
Otis

These are just a handful of US companies that have large investments and
operations abroad. It's not a one way street . Would you rather deny
these companies the ability to operate internationally?

Herman
David R
2006-06-07 01:18:51 UTC
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Yes, but under much more stringent conditions than USA

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of
Herman R. Silbiger
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 15:02
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: BAA


Exxon
GM
Ford
IBM
Intel
Wal-Mart
McDonald s
Caterpillar
GE
Starbucks
Monsanto
Citibank
Procter & Gamble
Otis

These are just a handful of US companies that have large investments and
operations abroad. It's not a one way street . Would you rather deny
these companies the ability to operate internationally?

Herman
Alireza Alivandivafa
2006-06-07 05:37:14 UTC
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Actually, though not as strongly as David, I agree that there is no part of the transport infrastructure that should be foreign operated. In fact, it is not only foreign operation that should be forbidden, private operation of inherently governmental things should not be allowed. This includes things like ports, both air and sea, as well as roads (including the aforementioned toll roads) etc. This goes from security, safety and economic standpoint as subsidizing the profits of private companies that are no more efficient (in fact, less efficent) than the government just ends up costing all of us money. As LAWA has shown, government agencies can be at least as, if not more efficient, than private operators. Look at the nightmare that is the London airport system, with the big 3 airports: Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted all operated by BAA after being essentially handed the airfields by the government. It simply doesn't work.

Alireza

-----Original Message-----
From: David MR <***@comcast.net>
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: BAA


UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by
foreigners!

Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired of
the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.

David
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Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
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Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
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Alireza Alivandivafa
2006-06-07 05:39:08 UTC
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Actually, congestion charging is very sound from a pure capitalist standpoint. Even Milton Friedman supports it

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From: RWM <***@RWMann.com>
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:53:08 -0400
Subject: Re: BAA


Then you'll love "congestion pricing". ;-)

You raise a good point and a related question emerges: why isn't Carlyle
Group bidding on these facilities?

- RWM
I hate paying tolls to use public roads. I especially hate paying tolls to
non-American entities. (I also think it's a sin to have to pay the government
for the "privilege" of parking on public streets.)
Let's face it. Airports in the USA, can be managed by American companies.
There is no reason for them to be managed by foreign companies.
David R
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Post by RWM
But you don't mind paying tolls to furriners, right?
- RWM
Post by David MR
UAE, Spain, UK, Andorra, The Vatican, I don't give a damn. It's absurd and a
threat to the national security for an airport in America to be operated by
foreigners!
Post by David MR
Go ahead, call me a racist. I'm not, I'm an American and I am frigging tired
of the politicians allowing this bullshit to happen.
Post by David MR
David
-------------- Original message ----------------------
Post by Agarwalla, Niraj
I can only imagine the reaction it the buyers were from the UAE instead
of Spain a la the port fiasco.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Blaine Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: BAA
*Top of the news*
*Indianapolis airport operator bought by Spanish firm*
BAA, the British operator of Indianapolis International Airport, is=20
being bought for $19 billion by Ferrovial, the Spanish company that's=20
leasing the Indiana Toll Road in partnership with an Australian bank.=20
The Ferrovial group bid against another consortium for the right to buy=20
publicly traded BAA, based in London. Ferrovial, owned by founder Rafael
del Pino y Moreno and his family, also leases the Chicago Skyway.
(Source: This morning's Indianapolis Star newspaper e-mail)
- Blaine
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Gerard M Foley
2006-06-07 15:33:43 UTC
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From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" <***@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:37 AM

<snip>
Post by Alireza Alivandivafa
In fact, it is not only foreign operation that should be forbidden,
private operation of inherently >governmental things should not be
allowed.
<snip>

It is now being suggested that we hire private contractors to fight
wars.

Gerry
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Michael C. Berch
2006-06-07 16:59:52 UTC
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Post by Gerard M Foley
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:37 AM
<snip>
Post by Alireza Alivandivafa
In fact, it is not only foreign operation that should be
forbidden, private operation of inherently >governmental things
should not be allowed.
<snip>
It is now being suggested that we hire private contractors to fight
wars.
Already happening in Iraq. As of 2004, Blackwater Security Consulting
had 15,000 personnel in Iraq, which was second only to the 110,000
U.S. troops. Other contractors include Global Risk and Erinys, both
of the UK.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-01-security-usat_x.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Blackwater_USA

That said, the use of mercenaries in war has a long history over many
centuries.
--
Michael C. Berch
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Alireza Alivandivafa
2006-06-09 18:00:07 UTC
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Not only has this been suggested, it is happening in very real terms. 1 in 3 members of the "coalition of the willing" are currently private contractors.

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From: Gerard M Foley <***@columbus.rr.com>
To: The Airline List <***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>; ***@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:35:19 -0400
Subject: Re: BAA


From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" <***@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:37 AM

<snip>
In fact, it is not only foreign operation that should be forbidden, >private operation of inherently >governmental things should not be >allowed.
<snip>

It is now being suggested that we hire private contractors to fight wars.

Gerry
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