Delta strike possible April 17a

[Agarwalla, Niraj]

Are DL pilots really going to go through this? If so, it will be a
death knell for the airline, which is in a precarious financial shape.
I sympathize with the pilots, but the economics of the airline industry
has changed significantly. The halcyon days of a pilot earning $250K
are over.

--
Niraj Agarwalla



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Roger LaFrance
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:59 AM
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Subject: Delta strike possible April 17a


Delta strike possible April 17

4/6/2006 ATLANTA (AP) - Leaders of the pilots union at Delta
Air Lines said Wednesday they gave their chairman the right to order a
strike at the nation's third-largest carrier at anytime after April 17.
It was the first time the union has mentioned a date in connection with
its threat to strike if the Atlanta-based company is successful in
voiding its contract so it can impose up to $325 million in long-term
pay and benefit cuts. The union has not set a strike date, however,
and both the pilots and the company are continuing to talk in hopes of
reaching a consensual agreement.


Roger & Amanda La France

[David MR]

Hey, who cares if the airline goes under, as long as the union can make its point.

These pilots and their union are very selfish, short-sighted, and just plain stupid. They would rather risk the airline going under, taking away the jobs of thousands of others and inconveincing thousands of customers.

I say they are stupid because if they strike they will get little or non income from their union yet the union bosses will continue to make their $200,000 + salaries.

I wonder how many pilots actually voted for the ability to strike. I'm talking about a percentage of the whole pilot force, not just the ones who actually voted.

David R
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Are DL pilots really going to go through this? If so, it will be a
death knell for the airline, which is in a precarious financial shape.
I sympathize with the pilots, but the economics of the airline industry
has changed significantly. The halcyon days of a pilot earning $250K
are over.
--
Niraj Agarwalla
-----Original Message-----
Roger LaFrance
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Delta strike possible April 17a
Delta strike possible April 17
4/6/2006 ATLANTA (AP) - Leaders of the pilots union at Delta
Air Lines said Wednesday they gave their chairman the right to order a
strike at the nation's third-largest carrier at anytime after April 17.
It was the first time the union has mentioned a date in connection with
its threat to strike if the Atlanta-based company is successful in
voiding its contract so it can impose up to $325 million in long-term
pay and benefit cuts. The union has not set a strike date, however,
and both the pilots and the company are continuing to talk in hopes of
reaching a consensual agreement.=20
Roger & Amanda La France

[John W. Swiman]

There is one thing that people also have to keep in mind ..

I am not one to defend the unions but lets call a Spade a Spade.. Why not
for once Top management cut their salaries so that the normal workers who keep
the airlines flying be able to live.

I hope that most of you are aware that the majority of Flight Attendants in
order to live have to get Food Stamps!..

I have many friends who are busting their backs at Delta (and other
airlines) as a profession and have families to support! They have had salary
give-backs and in some cases have had their medical insurance either terminated or
they have to now pay 80% of the cost and the coverage is nothing.

The main reason the airlines are now in deep trouble is that many of the so
called established airlines had too many TOP Management people and also when
they were flush with money they (the airlines) spent it like there was no
tomorrow.

Now it is time for Top Management to do their part and give back!

Regards,
John W Swiman

P.S. I know I will get a lot of flack for writing this, but it had to be
said!

[Ian Caldwell]

At 11:07 PM 06/04/2006 -0400, you wrote:

I'm not aware of that. My cousin is a flight attendant for Delta based in
Atlanta and she doesn't get or need food stamps. She makes 30K a year
working for them, and that's working 3 - 4 days a week.

Post by John W. Swiman
I hope that most of you are aware that the majority of Flight Attendants in
order to live have to get Food Stamps!..

[Allan9]

I've heard stories about new hires that are based in high cost living areas
filing for food stamps to supplement their basic living standard. But I
have to agree with Ian all the ones I know/knew were making at least what
Ian described.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Caldwell" <***@sympatico.ca>
To: <***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Delta strike possible April 17a

Post by Ian Caldwell
I'm not aware of that. My cousin is a flight attendant for Delta based in
Atlanta and she doesn't get or need food stamps. She makes 30K a year
working for them, and that's working 3 - 4 days a week.

Post by John W. Swiman
I hope that most of you are aware that the majority of Flight Attendants in
order to live have to get Food Stamps!..

[Agarwalla, Niraj]

I don't know how much money Delta's senior management make, but I'm sure
many of them make much less than some of the pilots. :-) Nevertheless,
senior management deserve to be well-paid especially given the
responsibilities they have, most important of which is to enhance
shareholder value.

This being said, much of their compensation-- i.e. bonuses-- are
performance-based. If the airline makes money, they make money. They
lose more money, management gets canned.

Besides, flight attendants have always been poorly-paid, and have been
for a long time. I don't see how that is news.

--
Niraj Agarwalla


-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
John W. Swiman
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:08 PM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Delta strike possible April 17a


There is one thing that people also have to keep in mind ..

I am not one to defend the unions but lets call a Spade a Spade.. Why
not
for once Top management cut their salaries so that the normal workers
who keep
the airlines flying be able to live.

I hope that most of you are aware that the majority of Flight Attendants
in
order to live have to get Food Stamps!..

I have many friends who are busting their backs at Delta (and other
airlines) as a profession and have families to support! They have had
salary
give-backs and in some cases have had their medical insurance either
terminated or
they have to now pay 80% of the cost and the coverage is nothing.

The main reason the airlines are now in deep trouble is that many of the
so
called established airlines had too many TOP Management people and also
when
they were flush with money they (the airlines) spent it like there was
no
tomorrow.

Now it is time for Top Management to do their part and give back!

Regards,
John W Swiman

P.S. I know I will get a lot of flack for writing this, but it had to
be
said!

[Herman R. Silbiger]

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:21:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta strike possible April 17a
I don't know how much money Delta's senior management make, but I'm sure
many of them make much less than some of the pilots. :-) Nevertheless,
senior management deserve to be well-paid especially given the
responsibilities they have, most important of which is to enhance
shareholder value.
This being said, much of their compensation-- i.e. bonuses-- are
performance-based. If the airline makes money, they make money. They
lose more money, management gets canned.=20
Niraj Agarwalla

That is a myth. There have been several surveys that show that
profitability and total compensation have been negatively related for
many years. Even if a poorly performing manager is booted they get
millions just to leave.

Herman