anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?

[Mark Panitz]

I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported
says that if you found a Y-Up fare it mean automatic
upgrade to first class?

[Michael C. Berch]

One of the main reasons for its existence is for business travelers
whose corporate travel policies prevent them from traveling first
class at company expense. Their receipt for expense account purposes
will be designated as Y (coach), and many companies (fewer, though,
than in the past) accept or require the use of Y (as opposed to
discounted economy fares) because they are easily changeable and are
refundable if the trip is canceled or rescheduled. But the traveler
(*nod* *wink*) gets to sit in F. Good marketing strategy.
--
Michael C. Berch

It's not a full fare coach ticket though.
It's basically a discounted first class, coded as a coach fare with
a free upgrade, so if the F cabin is full they can downgrade you to
coach without financial compensation!

Yes, many airlines have fares where if you pay full Y you get to
fly in
First/Business class. NW is one that springs to mind.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark Panitz
Sent: September 2, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported says that if you
found a
Y-Up fare it mean automatic upgrade to first class?

[Tyler Munoz]

I have flown in that class of service quite a bit on UAL, but I didn't
know other airlines also had it. Does anyone know of a booking engine
that lists this fare?

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Michael C. Berch
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:56 PM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?

One of the main reasons for its existence is for business travelers
whose corporate travel policies prevent them from traveling first
class at company expense. Their receipt for expense account purposes
will be designated as Y (coach), and many companies (fewer, though,
than in the past) accept or require the use of Y (as opposed to
discounted economy fares) because they are easily changeable and are
refundable if the trip is canceled or rescheduled. But the traveler
(*nod* *wink*) gets to sit in F. Good marketing strategy.
--
Michael C. Berch

It's not a full fare coach ticket though.
It's basically a discounted first class, coded as a coach fare with
a free upgrade, so if the F cabin is full they can downgrade you to
coach without financial compensation!

Yes, many airlines have fares where if you pay full Y you get to
fly in
First/Business class. NW is one that springs to mind.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark Panitz
Sent: September 2, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported says that if you
found a
Y-Up fare it mean automatic upgrade to first class?

[Michael C. Berch]

On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but you
have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to your
specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually happens is
that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk or the web site
you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you check in, you get a
real F boarding pass (which is often a different color or style, and
gets perks like a lounge, early boarding, etc.). Sometimes the
boarding pass is coded with a class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2.
Depends by airline.
--
Michael C. Berch

Post by Tyler Munoz
I have flown in that class of service quite a bit on UAL, but I didn't
know other airlines also had it. Does anyone know of a booking engine
that lists this fare?
-----Original Message-----
Michael C. Berch
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
One of the main reasons for its existence is for business travelers
whose corporate travel policies prevent them from traveling first
class at company expense. Their receipt for expense account purposes
will be designated as Y (coach), and many companies (fewer, though,
than in the past) accept or require the use of Y (as opposed to
discounted economy fares) because they are easily changeable and are
refundable if the trip is canceled or rescheduled. But the traveler
(*nod* *wink*) gets to sit in F. Good marketing strategy.
--
Michael C. Berch

It's not a full fare coach ticket though.
It's basically a discounted first class, coded as a coach fare with
a free upgrade, so if the F cabin is full they can downgrade you to
coach without financial compensation!

Yes, many airlines have fares where if you pay full Y you get to
fly in
First/Business class. NW is one that springs to mind.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark Panitz
Sent: September 2, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported says that if you
found a
Y-Up fare it mean automatic upgrade to first class?

[Mark Gerrard]

This is incorrect.

YUP fares are usually booked in either A or P class. If you do a search
on any of the major travel booking engines for a business class fare, it
will be the lowest fare available, which will usually be anywhere from
$700 to $1200 depending on destination. CO are I think the only major
carrier that do not do YUP fares, they just have straight Z fares which
are a discounted business class.

Post by Michael C. Berch
On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but you
have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to your
specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually happens is
that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk or the web site
you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you check in, you get a
real F boarding pass (which is often a different color or style, and
gets perks like a lounge, early boarding, etc.). Sometimes the
boarding pass is coded with a class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2.
Depends by airline.

[Michael C. Berch]

I suspect that Mark and I are talking about two different things. A
and P are discounted first class, and Z is discounted business class.
What I'm talking about is not sold as a first or business class fare;
it *can't* be, since the corporate travel agents (or individual
travelers who book the space and are reimbursed on expense account)
are prohibited by their company travel policy from booking any F or C
fare, discount or otherwise.

What I'm referring to is a scheme whereby the airline advertises that
full-fare coach (Y) passengers will get automatic space-available
upgrades to F (on two-class aircraft) or C (on three-class aircraft).
Unlike A, P, or Z, this is not a published fare with rules, but
simply an internal marketing program. I have done this domestically
on UA, NW, CO, old FL, old QQ, and probably a couple of others, and
internationally on AC and LH. In each case the ticket was booked in
plain Y, and at check-in I got an F (C/J in the case of AC and LH)
boarding pass. I don't have the boarding pass stubs handy to check,
but I think on AC it was XJ or YJ (by the way, A and P on AC are
discount economy fares).

In some cases (NW, CO, QQ, FL) I got an F seat assignment on the
phone at the time of booking (or the travel agent got it for me); in
other cases I had to wait until check-in to get it. And once on NW
and once on UA I was, in effect, downgraded back to actual Y due to
being bumped by actual full-rev (or otherwise higher priority) F pax.

In any case I've never booked in A or P for these. I have booked in
Z, which is my usual fare class to Europe on UA, and that is positive
space in the C cabin, and the fare is more than full-fare Y but less
than C.
--
Michael C. Berch

Post by Mark Gerrard
This is incorrect.
YUP fares are usually booked in either A or P class. If you do a
search on any of the major travel booking engines for a business
class fare, it will be the lowest fare available, which will
usually be anywhere from $700 to $1200 depending on destination.
CO are I think the only major carrier that do not do YUP fares,
they just have straight Z fares which are a discounted business class.

Post by Michael C. Berch
On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but
you have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to
your specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually
happens is that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk
or the web site you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you
check in, you get a real F boarding pass (which is often a
different color or style, and gets perks like a lounge, early
boarding, etc.). Sometimes the boarding pass is coded with a
class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2. Depends by airline.

[Alireza Alivandivafa]

I think you are talking about Economy Plus, not First-Up (TWA's old full fare program) or something that allows full fare coach travellers to move up to First space available.


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@avenuea-razorfish.com
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?


I have flown in that class of service quite a bit on UAL, but I didn't
know other airlines also had it. Does anyone know of a booking engine
that lists this fare?

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Michael C. Berch
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:56 PM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?

One of the main reasons for its existence is for business travelers =20
whose corporate travel policies prevent them from traveling first =20
class at company expense. Their receipt for expense account purposes =20
will be designated as Y (coach), and many companies (fewer, though, =20
than in the past) accept or require the use of Y (as opposed to =20
discounted economy fares) because they are easily changeable and are =20
refundable if the trip is canceled or rescheduled. But the traveler =20
(*nod* *wink*) gets to sit in F. Good marketing strategy.

--=20
Michael C. Berch

It's not a full fare coach ticket though.
It's basically a discounted first class, coded as a coach fare with =20
a free upgrade, so if the F cabin is full they can downgrade you to =20
coach without financial compensation!

Yes, many airlines have fares where if you pay full Y you get to =20
fly in
First/Business class. NW is one that springs to mind.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark Panitz
Sent: September 2, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported says that if you =20
found a
Y-Up fare it mean automatic upgrade to first class?

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[Alireza Alivandivafa]

In the US, full fare coach is almost always listed as Y class. This is definately true of United. A class is often times a discounted First fare.


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@comcast.net
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?


This is incorrect.

YUP fares are usually booked in either A or P class. If you do a search
on any of the major travel booking engines for a business class fare, it
will be the lowest fare available, which will usually be anywhere from
$700 to $1200 depending on destination. CO are I think the only major
carrier that do not do YUP fares, they just have straight Z fares which
are a discounted business class.

Post by Michael C. Berch
On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but you
have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to your
specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually happens is
that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk or the web site
you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you check in, you get a
real F boarding pass (which is often a different color or style, and
gets perks like a lounge, early boarding, etc.). Sometimes the
boarding pass is coded with a class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2.
Depends by airline.

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[Mark Gerrard]

Which is exactly what I was talking about! A YUP fare is booked in A or
P class not Y.

Post by Alireza Alivandivafa
In the US, full fare coach is almost always listed as Y class. This is definately true of United. A class is often times a discounted First fare.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
This is incorrect.
YUP fares are usually booked in either A or P class. If you do a search
on any of the major travel booking engines for a business class fare, it
will be the lowest fare available, which will usually be anywhere from
$700 to $1200 depending on destination. CO are I think the only major
carrier that do not do YUP fares, they just have straight Z fares which
are a discounted business class.

Post by Michael C. Berch
On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but you
have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to your
specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually happens is
that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk or the web site
you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you check in, you get a
real F boarding pass (which is often a different color or style, and
gets perks like a lounge, early boarding, etc.). Sometimes the
boarding pass is coded with a class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2.
Depends by airline.

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[Tyler Munoz]

I know it isn't Economy Plus because I fly that all the time with my UAL
status. My corporate travel agent usually calls it a "Y up" fare.

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Alireza Alivandivafa
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 2:43 AM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?

I think you are talking about Economy Plus, not First-Up (TWA's old full
fare program) or something that allows full fare coach travellers to
move up to First space available.


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@avenuea-razorfish.com
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?


I have flown in that class of service quite a bit on UAL, but I didn't
know other airlines also had it. Does anyone know of a booking engine
that lists this fare?

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Michael C. Berch
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:56 PM
To: ***@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?

One of the main reasons for its existence is for business travelers =20
whose corporate travel policies prevent them from traveling first =20
class at company expense. Their receipt for expense account purposes =20
will be designated as Y (coach), and many companies (fewer, though, =20
than in the past) accept or require the use of Y (as opposed to =20
discounted economy fares) because they are easily changeable and are =20
refundable if the trip is canceled or rescheduled. But the traveler =20
(*nod* *wink*) gets to sit in F. Good marketing strategy.

--=20
Michael C. Berch

It's not a full fare coach ticket though.
It's basically a discounted first class, coded as a coach fare with

=20

a free upgrade, so if the F cabin is full they can downgrade you to

=20

coach without financial compensation!

Yes, many airlines have fares where if you pay full Y you get to =20
fly in
First/Business class. NW is one that springs to mind.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark Panitz
Sent: September 2, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I heard on my local numbers the consumer reported says that if you

=20

found a
Y-Up fare it mean automatic upgrade to first class?

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